[ivan_gammel]

People who left the country are not just software developers. We have seen the exodus of musicians, scientists etc, which after some very painful decision process just packed their things and took next flight anywhere. Many took their families.

[ghostwriter]

Software engineers were a simple example of the conflation point. Those who left and those who’re the brightest aren’t the same group.

[lostmsu]

As a MSU CS alumni I can tell you, it is pretty clear the brighter, the more likely to leave.

Among my peers most left, even the ones that used to be relatively pro Puilo for whatever reasons.

[ghostwriter]

> As a MSU CS alumni I can tell you, it is pretty clear the brighter, the more likely to leave.

How does your alumni status’ anecdotal evidence bring clarity on the matter of the predominant intellectual capacity of those who’re leaving Russia? Aren’t there any other MSU graduates who consider themselves as bright as your CS peers and yourself, and who are staying in? What’s the respective left/stayed ratio among them?

[ivan_gammel]

I can add one more data point to it as MIPT graduate. Number of people among MIPT, MSU and HSE graduates I know personally who emigrated in the past 12 months is remarkable. It’s somewhat similar to early 1990s when whole labs were relocating to the West.

[ghostwriter]

What's the ratio of those who left to those who graduated and stayed?

[lostmsu]

Basically everyone (that would be 10+ people) I know who was still staying back left after Russia unleashed full scale war with the exception of the ones that have to care for very old relatives. There are two people who stayed for other reasons, and they aren't brighter than average peers.

Prior to the war maybe slightly under 50% stayed. Now it is under 10%.

[ghostwriter]

> Prior to the war maybe slightly under 50% stayed. Now it is under 10%.

Just to clarify your point, are you suggesting that only 10% of MSU gradutes are staying in Russia after receiving their respective degrees, or are these the numbers among specific people with specific degrees you know personally?

[lostmsu]

Obviously I am talking about specific people mostly with CS degrees.

However, the same trend was also quite visible on the university-wide alumni forum.

[ivan_gammel]

The groups are indeed not identical but what matters is that their intersection is big.