[Mezzie]

I genuinely would like to teach - K-12 or higher ed.

I will not work somewhere where I am expected to put in extra hours for no extra pay, allow people to physically and verbally abuse me, and doesn't pay enough for me to make rent and bills.

I don't expect a CC to pay amazingly, but if they want good people they should at least make sure that they offer a better deal than jobs who only want a GED and right now they aren't. Plus the salaries are skewed: I could get a good paying job at my local CC... in the development or 'business' side of things. But not to actually teach. If you can pay data analysts 70k there's no reason to stiff your educational staff. It says a lot about the values of that institution.

[SoftTalker]

> I will not work somewhere where I am expected to put in extra hours for no extra pay

So you'll never teach K-12 without giving up that restriction.

People often joke about how teachers have summer off, 2 weeks at Christmas, fall break, spring break, etc. but don't talk so much about the hours of work they do at home every night grading or doing lesson prep, or the hours of time they put into advising or coaching extracurriculars, as well as required professional development that normally has to be done on their own time.

[Mezzie]

Yeah, that's why the 'and' is emphasized. I can see why that's the case (grading takes a variable amount of time, so does advising, and required PD to keep teachers up to date is very reasonable). I wouldn't mind doing that if I were paid enough to be secure, but you want me to do that and probably have to work a second job? No.