[NayamAmarshe]

I'm honestly tired of everyone spreading all this misinformation about telegram and all these assumptions that lead everyone nowhere.

1. SIM Swap is a physical device security issue, not something that telegram or any other app for that matter, is responsible for. Telegram already provides cloud password, comments like these wouldn't ever mention it.

2. Telegram using cloud encryption instead of E2EE by default does not make it less secure. In fact, it only makes it secure in a different way. Proponents of WhatsApp, kindly direct me towards an independent audit or research paper that confirms WhatsApp is using E2EE 100% of the time instead of 95% or even 5% of the time. The classic "but WhatsApp has E2EE" argument is as good as me saying that I'm the CEO of Google writing from an alt account. Telegram's encryption, both E2E and Cloud, have been audited by independent researchers. It doesn't take much to find out what's true and what's not.

3. Moxie's claims are extremely biased and misleading to the point that it almost seems like a propaganda against Telegram. I wouldn't want to hear someone who thinks Signal is too good to be on F-Droid and that any encryption aside from his own is the same as plain text.

[emptysongglass]

I really don't care if people use Signal but as a Telegram user I'm exhausted by this hatefest that appears every time Telegram announces a new release. Moxie is a terrible source because he very recently was the CEO of Signal, a competitor, and uses words like "plaintext" as a misleading perjorative for any encryption not E2EE.

If you want and need E2EE please God use some other messenger but why don't we stick to the topic of the feature announcement and save the hate, folks?

If you're a user of Signal, I support your choice to use Signal. Please support our choice to use Telegram.

[NayamAmarshe]

I believe most people here use WhatsApp and they've gotten comfortable enough with the idea of trusting Facebook (even when nobody ever should if they respect themselves as a user).

This is proven by the fact that posts about WhatsApp, a closed source app from Facebook where you can never even confirm any of their security claims, gets a lot of praise compared to an open source app with a strong privacy and no-data-selling track record. Even here in the comments you can see people claiming about WhatsApp's E2EE when in reality they cannot prove it.

Telegram on the other hand has been audited multiple times by independent researchers and yet somehow, that's not enough. Apparently, symmetric encryption is considered plain-text these days and some closed source unverified implementation of E2EE as private and secure.

The world is a weird place.