[oifjsidjf]

>> The Good Food Institute Europe (GFI Europe) reports that sales of plant-based foods across 13 European nations amounted to €5.7 billion in 2022.

The good food institude is the lobbying arm of the lab grown protein companies.

>> ...a Y Combinator funded non-profit that promotes plant- and cultivated meat alternatives to conventional animal meat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Friedrich

Also look at stocks at these fake food companies: they are all going down.

[somedude895]

All the overvalued growth stocks are going down because the supply of easy money dried up. The massive rise in BYND share price was always ridiculous. Their products are easy to replicate and companies like Nestlé have way more resources to bring them to market successfully and sustainably, which they're doing now.

[throwaway290]

Somebody not eating animal products for ethical reasons will not buy anything from Nestle given a choice, for very same reasons. And yes, we who avoid Nestle pay more for alternatives, but if you know their business practices there's no moral choice.

[somedude895]

I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat little meat and replace the rest with meat alternatives. And I buy Nestle products, as do pretty much all people I know who are also trying to reduce their meat consumption. Meat alternatives are entering the mainstream and not everybody who cares about animal welfare is also an activist.

[throwaway290]

Most people I know buy Nestle products, but most people I know are not vegan.

I meant if your ethical values push you to go through the trouble of cutting out animal products completely, possibly at great cost to you, then I fail to see how the modicum of effort required to avoid buying Nestle products is anything but a rounding error.

[karmakurtisaani]

I respectfully disagree. As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us. Instead, I try to find comfort in the fact that animal replacements are becoming cheap and common because of the mega corporations.

[kitkat_new]

> As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us.

how so?

[oh_sigh]

Well, for one, it requires remembering every brand present on this infographic:

https://wyomingllcattorney.com/static/img/nestle-list.png

[wonderingwhale]

I am fairly sure that there is a nestle logo on the packaging of these brands as well

[karmakurtisaani]

Wife, kids, full time job, hobbies.. simply no time or energy to start looking at each item and finding alternatives when finally buying groceries.

[throwaway290]

The task is simplified to looking at label. Respectfully, if even that is too much, you don't particularly care about avoiding Nestle products at all...

[kitkat_new]

Hate Nestle? Download the app Boycott.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckNestle/comments/ihk2ul/hate_nes...

[throwaway290]

> As much as I would like to avoid the kinds of Nestle, it's just impossible in practice for many of us

Why?

[CalRobert]

Good points until you showed obvious bias with the "fake food" comment.

[oifjsidjf]

OP here. You are free to feed your children with this new experimental food that has never been consumed at any point of human evolution on this planet.

The last time we tried this expriment with novel new foods 10% of USA got diabetes.

Do tell me how your children will end up in 20 years of this kind of food.

[CalRobert]

Similary cramming meat down our gullets morning day and night is a recent change too. And entire cultures do fine without dairy. "imitation" would make sense but "fake" doesn't.

[oifjsidjf]

>> Similary cramming meat down our gullets morning day and night is a recent change too.

If we were hunter gatherers who hunted megafauna then we ate TONS of meat in the past, so this is not a difference.

And there are also cultures who do fine without veggies, the Inuit.

[simplotek]

> Good points until you showed obvious bias with the "fake food" comment.

What leads you to believe that the clear conflict of interests pointed out by OP changes in any way if OP doesn't use a marketing term to refer to their product?

[hexis]

Dismissing a point due to bias is an example of the ad hominem fallacy.

[CalRobert]

I'm not dismissing a point. I said they were good points. I just think that calling the food "fake" detracts from their argument.

[mkoubaa]

No it's not

[zo1]

Not OP. Then what "value" did you even bring to this conversation then, other than to say this person has bias? Because the natural interpretation of your comment is "oh, good facts, but see he has this bias because of this word, therefore the facts must be wrong or misleading or cherry picked". That interpretation sure sounds like an ad-hominem. If there is bias, state your counter points to prove that point.

[mkoubaa]

I responded to a comment that used the term "ad hominem" wrongly. A dictionary could explain proper usage of that term better than I could so I don't bother

[CalRobert]

Personally I hoped people could make strong arguments and not weaken their own stance with pettiness. It's real food. You can eat it.

[AlecSchueler]

Was already there with "lab grown protein" instead of vegan meat, meat substitute etc.