[akomtu]

I cannot resist leaving a comment here. DEI is:

Divisiveness. Your organization will be split into many adversarial camps based on their skin color and genitals. They will be taught to treat members of other camps with contempt. These superficial traits will be deemed more important that skill, character, knowledge and ability.

Exclusion. Ideas, thoughts, words and people contradicting our dogma will be excluded by our helpful and friendly speech police. Your employees will be encouraged to report each other for thought crimes, such as using banned words, and will learn to not trust each other.

Inquisition. Any attempt to discuss and criticize this policy will be mercilessly persecuted by ministry of love. Your employees will learn to keep their thoughts to themselves.

[DamnYuppie]

There is nothing about your comment I disagree with. Thanks for sharing as most people are terrified to speak out against these divisive policies. I am hopeful their creators had good intentions but this is just a power play to get those with power to bow down to those without; which is just another form of psychological oppression imho.

[tvink]

"a power play to get those with power to bow down to those without; which is just another form of psychological oppression imho"

I disagree, but even if it is, maybe that's ok. Status quo is active oppression everywhere all the time of certain groups, rebalancing who is getting oppressed for a second is probably a worthy sacrifice to even things out.

[krrrh]

> Status quo is active oppression everywhere all the time of certain groups

In America in the year 2023, this is a wild statement that amounts to a matter of faith. There is no sensible way to prove or disprove it with evidence, except the obvious fact that any statement that includes the phrase “everywhere all the time” is not reflective of reality and an dismissal of viewpoint and nuance. It’s part of why so many people call wokeness a religion.

[lockhouse]

Hilariously, the self unaware downvoters proved your point.

I just find it amazing that we essentially achieved something very close to equal opportunity, but because that didn't produce equal outcomes it wasn't good enough, and now we have equity in its place.

I still think that there is a strong possibility that all of this was created to serve as a distraction from the real issues to keep the masses from guillotining the elites for their corruption and destruction of the middle class.

[version_five]

> but because that didn't produce equal outcomes it wasn't good enough, and now we have equity in its place.

It's about power, it has nothing to do with anyone actually caring about equality. Everyone will be worse of under an "equity" regime, except the nomenklatura

[thfuran]

If you think we have achieved equal opportunity, go move to East Cleveland or West Baltimore.

[lockhouse]

I said very close to achieving it. I am not naive enough to believe that we have or probably ever will eradicate racism.

The question is are the lack of opportunities for certain groups a result of present day racism or are they due to generational poverty?

People are disadvantaged due to the family they are born into not due to the color of their skin.

[uvnq]

This leaves out a third way to analyze the situation, which is to look at culture. Culture includes values/valences, which are the core of situation evaluation, which drives all decision making, which is the biggest driving factor behind individual outcomes. This is also used in algorithms such as chess engines. If a group has bad values for some reason, they will undoubtedly do worse. Value systems spread to those around you, which is how you get the effect of becoming like the people you hang out with. The effect of value propogation is increased wrt the values of your parents and other role models.

Many people have an incentive to push for the conclusion "it is because of money" or "it is because of racism" but these both divert away from (what I see as) the root cause of minority groups doing worse, and it also hurts these groups by diverting away from the solution (which can be applied on an individual level to great effect). One example of how this is applied irl is people associating with others who they want to be like. I know someone who was doing ok in school, but when they started to hang out with straight A students, they adopted their values and started to make decisions like them, eventually getting amazing grades and becoming co-validictorian. I assume the values in this case were more positive valences regarding studying hard and working hard and school and long term thinking, among others. I had an extremely difficult period of my life and adopting good values (eventually I became Christian) helped me to completely turn my life around, and now I feel I have an amazing and meaningful life. If not for my different values, leading to my different decisions, I would not be in a different situation.

"People are disadvantaged due to their values" is likely the problem, and seeing it provides a solution that can be applied to fix group issues on an individual level. Racism and poverty are factors that influence success but this is by far the biggest one. If you adopt this mindset and apply it to your life you will do better than the group statistics and so will everyone else you convince. Many people will be incentivized to not listen, or even to be open minded, but those who do will be significantly changed for the rest of their lives. At the end of the day though, it is up to the individual

[Capybara3301]

To me it's scary how all of these things progress. Looking at where we are I think I can imagine now how totalitarian regimes were born and how they came into power. It starts with virtuous ideas and is followed with more and more restrictions what can be criticized. Eventually any criticism is act of courage. Majority of the people stop expressing their perspective. They disconnect and become silent.

The force behind (regardless whether it is organized or not) will always have ridiculous excuses. They even will tell you it's all based on science. But when you look closer it's not science but some shitty subjective report from Gartner without available data etc.

They will advocate they're introducing fearless culture, but instead it becomes fearful. They will advocate they're introducing inclusive culture, but it becomes exclusive. They will advocate they're introducing equality of opportunities, but it becomes equality of outcome.

After seeing all of this for several years I now have strong opinion that whenever somebody wants to make world more fair it almost always lead to less fair one.

[wannabe44]

In India, DEI is nothing but an initiative getting more ~posh~ Affluent urban women into IT jobs.

Whereas someone like me, from humble background and acquired much better skills by my own effort and sacrifice, is denied the same opportunities.

[ignoramceisblis]

You're allowed to post this now because the Big Bad Republicans™ are largely out of power. Now, sensibility and performance and strong work ethics (for the right masters) can return--as long as the Right People™ are in power.

Wait until the cycle begins again, and when your country has to experience more mass riots, destruction, and unrest. Don't worry: the Right People™ can always stop the pain--if you let them have power.

[akomtu]

Truly, ignorance is bliss.