[colordrops]

The issue according to you is that musk is a hypocrite. But until you show evidence that musk's companies have requested and received significant grants and subsidies specifically for them, then your claim is just FUD.

You are drafting on this narrative that musk's companies are extravagant government leeches, when the truth is that they've gone the opposite direction, taking much less money from the government, avoiding cost plus contracts, and charging significantly less than competitors for services.

[bmitc]

I gave you a direct quote from their own SEC filing. You can find it.

You're asking me to prove the sky is blue, and I'm saying to just go outside.

> You are drafting on this narrative that musk's companies are extravagant government leeches

No, I didn't say that.

[colordrops]

I saw your quote. It doesn't say how much, or the terms of the government help. Is it billions? Or was it much less? And did Tesla have to pay it back?

You are being disingenuous here - to claim that detailing the grants and subsidies that the companies took and determining whether the sky is blue are the same category is bad faith, sorry. I'm actually personally familiar with SpaceX's finances to a degree and am not aware of any significant grants or subsidies. I'm not just just challenging you to be contrarian, I'm asking for evidence.

And I didn't say you said that, I said you are drafting off of the narrative, the same way a bike rider drafts off the rider in front of them.