[jdludlow]

I'm sure that you're right, but then the vast majority of people are easily swayed by cheap political rhetoric. If they're playing by the same rules, which it appears that they are, then what's the problem? It's not like he hasn't already paid income tax on that money the first time he earned it, and his absolute tax bill is vastly larger than hers is.

If not being jealous and covetous of those who make more than I do puts me in the minority, then I guess that's where I'm at. Sadly, I believe that to be the case.

[krschultz]

The capital gains rate & structure is a legit policy question. Talking about flag burning laws, who wears a flag pin or not, those are cheap political squabbles.

Keep in mind, capital gains haven't always had a lower tax rate than ordinary income. There is no rule of nature that says it has to be that way. We could make the capital gains rate 0%, or 0% up to $200,000 and then 40% for everything over $200,000. Or we could make more than simply 2 rates based on the length of time it took for the gain. Or we could make it any number of other options.

Which one of these is preferable for economic or philisophical reasons is a good question. Warren's Buffet's secretary is no different than Joe the Plumber - they are a personification of the policy. It's hard to latch on to abstract reasoning but easy to see when presented as a comparison of two people.

[cjdavis]

Nice straw, man.

Thinking that a progressive tax system is a good idea has nothing to do with being jealous and covetous of those who make more than you. If you disagree with a progressive tax system go right ahead and support your case, but you're not going to do that with bs arguments nobody is making.

[justincormack]

Capital gains are not really double taxation. Sure he paid tax, but then he earned more. Many countries charge income and capital gains at exactly the same rate, eg the UK does now.

[walkon]

How are they not being taxed twice? A company (which has owners) pays income tax on their profits, so the company and therefore, owners, have less capital remaining. Then, if the owners want to cash out anything from the post-income-taxed margin, they'll have to pay capital gains as well.

[jshen]

It's not that simple. One could just as easily make the case that workers get a lower salary due to higher corporate taxes, therefore they should pay a lower tax rate than owners. In short, it's not at all clear that a higher corporate tax rate is purely a tax on owners, and nothing else.

[walkon]

Employees are payroll taxed, that is different and regardless of the company's income, net or otherwise.

[jshen]

I'm certain the amount of profit after taxes affects the wages a company is willing to pay. Do you really think they are completely independent?

[krschultz]

I pay state income tax on my paycheck, and then I take that money and buy a new computer and have to pay state sales tax too!

And where I live, I pay state income tax, buy a car and buy sales tax, and then every year after that I pay property tax on the value of the car. It's a triple tax!

I'm not really sure why capital gains is such a problem. And truthfully a lot of capital gains (maybe even most?) are not doubled taxed. If you buy stock with after-income-tax money, then yes you pay that tax twice. But if the capital gain is derived from equity compensation a lot of times you don't pay income tax so it is only a single tax. That is what the Buffett rule is all about (and this article as well).

[aaronblohowiak]

That sounds like dividend taxes, not capital gains.

[emu]

We're off the original topic now, but I've never understood why the US doesn't enact a dividend imputation scheme, which nicely solves the double taxation problem on dividend income by giving the recipient of a dividend a credit for the corporate tax paid on that dividend. Australia has such a system.

[MartinCron]

If they're playing by the same rules, which it appears that they are...

Of course they are playing by the same rules. Rich and poor alike get preferential tax rates on capital gains income the same way that rich and poor alike get tax breaks on private jet ownership depreciation. Anything else would be class warfare.