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by bar000n 1164 days ago
i really don’t understand how it came to this anyway. the industry is so stubborn. what is not clear here? you should not spy on your site visitors for marketing purposes.

when you join a poll you do so with consent, when a market/social/political research entity invites you to a focus group (for example) you get at least a coffee and snack if not real money.

websites just get this for granted? it’s like stealing. it will never stop until the industry gets some understanding of these concepts.

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We're talking about the advertising industry here. Calling these companies stubborn is a gross understatement.

This is the industry that perfected psychological manipulation in the pursuit of profits. It's built on decades of research into the best ways to associate brand names with positive feelings, and plant a desire to make a purchase in the subconscious mind of consumers. They will do anything humanly possible to deliver ads to your senses, and they've corrupted every media technology to do so since the existence of public broadcasting.

The internet has just given them the most profitable delivery mechanism, and in turn has made technology companies insanely rich. These adtech giants rule the internet, and can build the playground they need to make ad delivery more efficient than ever. Now these profits can trickle down to website owners, which will in turn take the path of least legal resistance, and employ every dark pattern imaginable in order to maximize _their_ profits.

And if this corrupt business model wasn't enough, adtech companies can perpetually multi-dip by selling the data they collect on shady data broker markets.

So, no, it's not just stubbornness, or lack of understanding. Deceit is built into this industry, and these cookie consent forms are just the tip of the iceberg.

The solution requires much stronger regulation than the GDPR. Unfortunately, this is very unlikely to pass given the influence advertisers have on governments.

> websites just get this for granted? it’s like stealing.

Isnt the user getting free content in return?

Absolutely not. If I see a cookie popup or subscribe modal, or even get interrupted reading with a pop-up prompt I immediately leave the site and add it to my blacklist.

Archive for life.

Free content was around before advertising on the web, this whole 'but they get free content' spiel was cooked up by advertisers.

Static we pages are cheap to host. Very rare is the article on [news site] getting mllions of simultaneous hits. But they all want videos embedded everywhere, gifs galore when all I want is to read their 20 min video in 2 minutes. They want their website hosted on the cloud with every new/hot architecture out.

How mant nyt articles are reprints of a reuters article the nyt then turns into 10 pages with aforementioned videos etc.

They did this to themselves.

If the website decides to offer content for free, then it may do so. If not, the website is entirely allowed to put up a paywall, or to display *non-targeted* advertisements. What the website is not allowed to do is mandate payment in the form of private information.
understanding is not the issue, caring is