[lumost]

Are virtual currencies actually being used as currencies? I've been long BTC for ~10 years, I've only made a few small novelty purchases through BTC. Based on any ads I've seen for crypto from coinbase, along with the tools they've built into their app - the primary use case for crypto appears to be as a security.

[ascendantlogic]

Bitcoin was originally meant to be used as a currency. Ethereum was meant to be the oil that powered the smart contract network. I guess the question is, what matters more: the intent by the creators or what the end users choose to do with it?

[lumost]

I have yet to see any coin be used in a manner that doesn’t devolve to a security. While there were many projects to do other things with crypto - they all still sell tokens on exchanges. I’d find the claim that crypto isn’t meant as a security more convincing if the crypto traded at 0 dollars.

[nyolfen]

i run a small retail shop that sells digital goods for btc. i bought a book with btc two months ago. more convincingly, it's widely used for remittances and as a store of value in countries with debased currencies -- this is a powerful tool for ordinary citizens in countries like venezuela, argentina etc to discipline central banks who would otherwise steal their savings.

[mrguyorama]

In japan, there exist a bunch of businesses that buy your pachinko prizes and give you cash. It's a standard thing that happens pretty much anywhere with pachinko machines.

Yet it would be absurd to call those toys "A currency". A currency requires more usage than occasional barter.

[nyolfen]

what threshold would you find convincing? it performs all conventionally defined functions of money, it is legally recognized as money in some jurisdictions, it is useful as a store of value and medium of exchange. japanese yen might as well be 'toy' to me since i can't pay taxes with it. at this point i feel like i'm arguing about the utility of automobiles with an equestrian in 1920.

[PretzelPirate]

I pay for POAPs on Ethereum using Eth. There's no expectation of profit by owning one since anyone who actively participates in the event can get one, but they're fun collectibles.

Because of POAPs, I use Eth as a currency all the time.