[8n4vidtmkvmk]

Looks really expensive. And weird pricing. I click "pricing" and it gives me per user costs. Wat? I thought I was hosting stuff, not managing teams. Click on +Computing costs and it's like $0! $0! $0! Check the fineprint and its like 4GB RAM and 2 CPUs is $85/mo, or you can get the same at DigitalOcean for $24.

Then add Postgres for another $95. Or if you're cheap like me, you self-host that in your $24 droplet and pay nothing extra.

And then they want you to pay for Crons....instead of just running a cronjob on your dedicated compute?

What is this world coming to?

[toyg]

Everyone charges for convenience. A lot of people don't want the headache to run and secure their own Postgres, for example. It's a trade-off, same as servicing your car vs just handing it off to a garage mechanic.

[8n4vidtmkvmk]

Yeah I understand charging for convenience... kinda. Markup is too big IMO. Should be like 10-20% more not 3x. And then they should make up the difference in volume because why would you not choose the more convenient platform if they provide the same great hosting but managed or easier to use.

[teaearlgraycold]

It's a managed service. You pay a premium for it. Features like their blueprint file make it worth the price IMO - https://render.com/docs/blueprint-spec

If you are working on a team and you want everyone to be able to spin up a copy of the production infrastruction for each pull request then PaaS is the way to go. If you just have some random one-off production environment and you are happy to either manage the state of a HDD or a k8s cluster yourself (which comes down to will more so than skill) then DO is the way to go.

[8n4vidtmkvmk]

> It's a managed service. You pay a premium for it. Features like their blueprint file make it worth the price IMO - https://render.com/docs/blueprint-spec

Looks like k8s yaml.

> If you are working on a team and you want everyone to be able to spin up a copy of the production infrastruction for each pull request then PaaS is the way to go.

But I get that with k8s + docker too. Everything's containerized. Just run the config, it even brings up the cron jobs.

> or a k8s cluster yourself (which comes down to will more so than skill) then DO is the way to go.

Yeah...that's the rub. Takes a few weeks to learn. Worth the time cost to save the $ cost and vendor lock in IMO.

[teaearlgraycold]

> Takes a few weeks to learn.

As I said, there’s more of a issue of wanting to maintain your infra than knowing how to.

[jmuguy]

Its been a little while since I looked at Render and their pricing definitely used to be a lot simpler. Charging per user is just stupid. And then weird compute costs with plans like "Pro Plus" and "Pro Ultra". "Web Services" and "Private Services". WTF is this shit.