[rufflez]

please stop using the phrase unborn child. We don’t call eggs unborn chickens. This whole pro life concept is bull$h!t.By that definition, every miscarriage should have a funeral and proper burial of the remains - and whatever went down a drain should be recovered with the help of law enforcement and first responders. And why stop there? Every spermatozoa is a potential life!

[skissane]

> please stop using the phrase unborn child

When my wife was pregnant with our son, both of us absolutely saw him as our "unborn child". I used to lie next to her and sing to him inside her belly, and she told me she could feel him move in response. Same thing when she was pregnant with our daughter. I find your idea that there's something wrong with using the phrase "unborn child" really bizarre.

> By that definition, every miscarriage should have a funeral and proper burial of the remains - and whatever went down a drain should be recovered with the help of law enforcement and first responders.

My wife miscarried several times. Every time was upsetting for both of us, although (quite understandably) significantly more so for her. I know a number of other couples (both friends and family) who have had similar experiences. The way you talk about that issue evinces a lack of empathy for other people's traumas

[rufflez]

Having experienced a miscarriage personally, I can tell you it is not the same as losing a child. On the other hand, being a parent, I firmly believe that if my child needed to terminate a pregnancy, it is nobody’s business. If your child needed to get it done, would you seek my permission? The way I see it, you lack empathy for women’s issues

[skissane]

> Having experienced a miscarriage personally, I can tell you it is not the same as losing a child

If by that you mean that stillbirth and postnatal death are worse than miscarriage, obviously yes. As to what counts as "losing a child", that's partly semantics and partly a matter of how the mother/parents perceive and feel about the situation, which is going to differ from person to person.

> On the other hand, being a parent, I firmly believe that if my child needed to terminate a pregnancy, it is nobody’s business. If your child needed to get it done, would you seek my permission? The way I see it, you lack empathy for women’s issues

I never said anything in my comment about stopping anyone from getting an abortion. You are reading something into my comment I never said, and then accusing me of lacking empathy based on nothing more than your own faulty assumptions.

[_heimdall]

You can draw a line wherever you want with regards to terminology you prefer. Calling a fertilized egg an unhatched chicken would be totally reasonable in my opinion, though an unfertilized egg meant for cooking isn't a chicken at all.

I'm sure there are some people who have a ceremony or funeral after a miscarriage, why is that a problem? Going through a miscarriage is extremely traumatic, especially later in the pregnancy. Who the hell are you to say how someone can and can't grieve?

[hestefisk]

I’m completely with you here. This kind of language hi jack drives me nuts.

[_heimdall]

I'm honestly not sure why the term unborn child is so triggering to some. That wasn't my intention or on my radar at all.

I don't have a strong opinion on the abortion debate beyond my general view that individuals can make their own decisions. I simply don't know why referring to something like a 7 month old fetus as an unborn child would be so appalling, especially if the fetus is at a level of development that it could potentially survive outside the womb with special care.