[ctyc]

I used to be pro abortion as well. I’m now anti abortion because the science has proven at this point beyond a shadow of a doubt that at conception there is a distinct, DNA-unique human being present. Call it what you want to make yourself feel better if you must, but at the end of the day you’re deciding to kill another human life by choosing abortion.

[petee]

Call it what you will, but it's unable to survive until birth, so its not really alive is it?

Do we consider ejaculation murder too? They survive on their own, and can navigate their way to an egg... clearly they are from a human, living, and independent:)

[Timon3]

Then why is there no large-scale moral outcry over IVF? The process creates and discards a number of fertilized eggs, each of which has unique DNA. Isn't that the much more pressing issue, both considering the procedure is never medically necessary for survival of the woman, and considering that the embryos are created in the knowledge only few will develop into a full human?

[humantiy]

Not sure how you define large scale but there are religions who do have a moral objection or at least rules around Ivf. As an example for Catholics each embryo must be treated as sacred and respected as human life. If you have extra embryos you must do everything possible to respect that life (ie transfer the embryos to someone in need and/or keep in cryo until that can happen). These rules aren’t typically known because ivf is a small minority of people that actually go through the process.

[Timon3]

Sure there are religions, but I'm asking about the political movement. Are there strides from any parties attempting to ban abortion to also ban IVF?

The reason I'm asking is pretty simple - I believe that many, many people are simply "for births", and politicians capitalize on that. They won't go against IVF since it leads to more births, but they go against abortions because they lead to fewer. Do you have any evidence going against this?