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There’s a difference between avoiding discovery by tacitly moving conversations offline versus saying that you are doing so, in writing, in a discoverable channel, specifically to avoid discovery.

The spirit of the latter crosses a line of showing deliberate contempt for the legal process. Doing it in writing seems just as ill advised as discussing sensitive information in writing.

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It just shows how problematic all this "surveillance" (voluntary and involuntary) has become. And it will become even worse. We now have cameras/door cameras at almost every private home/apartment and every street corner. We have cars who record audio and image/video inside and outside of the vehicle. There is almost no real privacy anymore. Everything can be used against you.

Honestly, it's getting a bit insane I think.

If we cannot communicate digitally in private and we cannot communicate physically in close vicinity to a car or a building, the only place left is in a remote forest.

As we have seen with Tesla engineers having access to videos inside cars (how can this even be legal) and we saw the 21 year old who leaked the secret Pentagon data, it's not that there has to be a decision by lawyers or government agencies that the data has to be provided. Any devops or admin can access this kind of data and spread as they like.

And how come Tesla and the Pentagon has no precautions in place to stop this kind if abuse?

It's really quite crazy on many levels.