[falcolas]

> Just don't expect me to take absurdities like delusional people thinking they own numbers seriously.

The same governments that let you 'own' physical items are the ones who say you can 'own' IP as well.

If they didn't - and didn't back it up with force - you wouldn't 'own' anything at all. Cherry picking which version of ownership is 'absurd' is an exercise in futility, since it's not up to you.

[matheusmoreira]

Nah. I own physical things by literally holding onto them. Keeping them inside my property to which only I have the keys. Defending that property by force if necessary. Government doesn't have to "let" me own anything, it merely recognizes and formalizes the de facto reality of things. Meanwhile we have these people with their made up delusions of ownership of ideas and all the contradictions inherent in that, and I'm supposed to pretend it's not absurd?

Whether or not the world conforms to their made up copyright reality isn't really up to them either. The simple fact is: information, once discovered, is infinitely copyable. No amount of lobbying is ever gonna change that. People are still gonna train AI models with "their" data and there's nothing they can do about it short of destroying free computing as we know it by making it so we can only execute software they approve. Surely you don't want that, fellow Hacker News user, given that such tyranny is the antithesis of everything the word "hacker" stands for.

[dragonwriter]

> Government doesn't have to "let" me own anything,

You seem to be confusing possession with ownership.

Ownership is the social relationship by which you exert control independent of immediate possession, but you’ve just described how you can maintain possession.

[hammyhavoc]

Yup. By his logic, if a thief holds someone at gunpoint and takes their property then they now own x. Furthermore, if they are then caught, by his logic, that property shouldn't be returned to the victim because the thief now owns it apparently.

[matheusmoreira]

Lol. They literally do own that property. They'll even sell it off for drugs or whatever as if they did own it. It's a very rare case that police will get off their asses and retrieve "your" stolen property. You can give them a GPS signal to the property and they still won't do it. Believing in this "posession/ownership" dichotomy is just as delusional as believing in imaginary intellectual property. It's just a flat out denial of the reality of things.

You know what's funny? In my country, Apple's security is more effective at deterring criminals than any of this "ownership" crap. A stolen iPhone is basically a brick that's worthless to anyone else. So they'd rather target Android phones instead which they can more easily reset and pass off as some used phone they own.

[falcolas]

And the moment you stop defending your house, to go shopping for example, you no longer possess (nor own) anything in it.