[viraptor]

Various random things become synonymous with hate if there's enough people that reach an understanding that they're used that way. It's in the same area as "are you implying wearing a white sheet is related to hate?" Yes, it became a known enough symbol and it is.

[aydyn]

Yes, but this isn't it. The burden of proof is on you.

[viraptor]

I don't think there's really a burden of proof as such on anyone. Whether something qualifies or not will be a consensus in a given community, location, timeframe, etc.

There's quite a bit of substance behind the idea that it is problematic. (Already linked) But there will be nuance too.

[aydyn]

> There's quite a bit of substance behind the idea that it is problematic. (Already linked)

There isn't substance, it's willful misinterpretation. The joke/hoax/op whatever you want to call it is -right there-. It isn't an attack on a racial or ethnic group, it's an attack on a political identity.

Is attacking liberals now considered "hate"?

They are telling you what they are doing and, as predicted, their opposition is willing to play along.

> Whether something qualifies or not will be a consensus in a given community, location, timeframe, etc.

I feel like this statement is pretty sophomoric.

[viraptor]

> I feel like this statement is pretty sophomoric.

Come on, there's lots of examples for each. Location: fag (UK/US), timeframe: queer (reappropriation), community: see Kendrick Lamar / Delaney controversy.

[aydyn]

I'm not saying it is wrong, I'm saying it's not adding value. Argue the point, don't make this a meta-discussion.