[roundandround]

I'd generally consider that different because whatever people scrape could be randomly reassembled but its not forming a canonical proof. A social platform that digitally signed content to have irrefutable proof of what you scraped would be closer and that would probably be adding the anti pattern they criticize for little reason.

[klabb3]

It sounds right, but would you mind spelling out the full conclusion? The level of indirection is a bit high for my lazy brain.

To me public communication has the trade off between trusting the communications platform (like most social platforms today) vs trusting the end user (signed messages). If you have trusted end users, scraping a third party repo of “forever history” becomes more plausible, as they can both prove that you(ish) signed it and are unlikely to respect your request to delete their copy. Is this different from what you’re saying?

[roundandround]

If you post something public it can be attested to by whoever that it once looked like X which is almost as irrefutable as it being self proving like a block chain. Scuttlebutt is trying to help you obscure your identity in posting and one could be sending encrypted content to particular other parties (maybe in its protocols but certainly just using it for the medium) where those parties could reveal irrefutably that content and that you made that content as that identity in that historical context.

Take instead the example of sending content encrypted with shared session keys over a live mesh network, where you send session keys to your specific friends to decrypt instead of revealing an identity to them.

Any "friend" could prove that they had some content at a specific time, but they could never prove that they didn't just make it themself since you gave them the symmetric key that let's either of you make shared content. This is a simple way to fail to achieve irrefutable though other properties as well..

If for example you are accused of a crime with no statute of limitations and a friend has since died, there should be a distinction between whether their hard drives prove something or their hard drives are hearsay without something else, like their testimony that they didn't tamper with contents in some long forgotten practical joke.

[thinkmassive]

It can be archived by something like the Wayback Machine.

For the strongest guarantee of non-repudiation, there’s OpenTimestamps:

https://opentimestamps.org/

[ilyt]

Nothing strong about it, as you could trivially timestamp faked content.

[thinkmassive]

Good point. I thought there was a way to validate authenticity by involving the TLS cert, but I’m unsure how that would actually work.