[ggm]

Hallucinating is no different to believe or know or infer: its the wrong label to use for what it does.

Yes, colloquially what it does is hallucinate all the time, and sometimes it lucid. But more factually no, it doesn't hallucinate because there is no "it" there, it's not conscious and you need to have a brain, to hallucinate.

There's no "there" there.

That is the whole of my point: we're using the wrong labels to describe what is happening.

When it comes to explaining and describing "it's like" is one of the WORST ways to go. explanation by analogy or metaphor is a trap. "atoms are like billiard balls BZZZT next" "cells are little bags of water BZZZT next" "panadol 'kills' the pain BZZT no, it doesn't kill anything next"

[pulvinar]

At what point would it be ok to use these words? Will there be some threshold we'll all recognize? Or maybe a bill of rights to force the issue?

I predict acceptance will go the way the ether disappeared-- advancing one funeral at a time.