[ToValueFunfetti]

I didn't assume that you wanted to have a conversation with religious people; you said so and I believed you.

>If you don't call out the hypocrites, how would they ever know they are wrong?

If you're not actually trying to convince them they're wrong, you can't use that to justify uncivility.

I get that being polite is less important than preventing someone from leveraging the government to restrict others' freedoms. But if everyone defects from social norms, we'll be in the exact same place on those issues while being collectively worse off.

[Beltiras]

I can't convince them. Their belief precludes any sort of reason to pierce the veil.