[bdcravens]

These requirements apply to new vehicles. Most poor don't buy new, and if they do, there are vehicles like the Bolt that are cheaper than your typical new SUV. Presumably the market will respond with options, similar to how in 2008 the poor couldn't afford smartphones. Additionally, the cost of "fuel" to go 300 miles is roughly $10-15 for EVs versus $40-50 for gas (assuming an efficient 4 cylinder), along with eliminating costs for 2-3 oil changes every year.

[hdhuegau6hfhd]

And presumably those same people will charge it.. where? where is infrastructure and please dont say presumably

-Most poor don't buy new, and if they do, there are vehicles like the Bolt that are cheaper than your typical new SUV

on avg. poor people buy cheap, because it is what they can afford. iirc, bolt is not as available as it used to be. plus, even after incentives evs are not cheap

- Presumably the market will respond with options, similar to how in 2008 the poor couldn't afford smartphone

great. we will throw away working system for presumably great system. presumably, the poor will get to drive a golf cart ewuivalent that requires iris and palm scan for 'helping improve customer experience'

-along with eliminating costs for 2-3 oil changes every year.

yeah.. because its the oil change that is killing me and not thousands for new battery

[bdcravens]

> where is infrastructure and please dont say presumably

Just look at the infrastructure 5 years ago and extrapolate where it will be going. Walmart, a staple of the poor, has announced plans to expand its EV charging footprint.

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/10/walmart-ev-fast-charging-el...

> a golf cart ewuivalent that requires iris and palm scan for 'helping improve customer experience'

My wife and I drive EVs that we get in, press a button, and it starts, similar to our previous ICE vehicles.

> because its the oil change that is killing me and not thousands for new battery

My Kia has a 10 year/100k warranty that includes the battery. Also, Nissan, which has some of the oldest mainstream EVs still on the road, said they are seeing very low failure rates, often outlasting the car itself.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/09/21/surprise-nissan-leaf-ba...

[hdhuegau6hfhd]

- My wife and I drive EVs that we get in, press a button, and it starts, similar to our previous ICE vehicles.

Sure but 1. how much was you upfront cost for either 2. how big is ur family 3. daily commute distance 4. use case

- Just look at the infrastructure 5 years ago and extrapolate where it will be going. Walmart, a staple of the poor, has announced plans to expand its EV charging footprint.

so it is a little like wishful thinking. you may end up being right. you might not, but u r willing to gamble a little

all those things matter when u argue 'everyone should be like me'

[bdcravens]

> Sure but 1. how much was you upfront cost for either 2. how big is ur family 3. daily commute distance 4. use case

I was responding to your dystopian future of iris and palm scans, but as long as you're moving the goal posts: I have a 20 mile commute one way, we regularly drive longer distances (100+ miles a day is common). We are only 2 people, but each of our cars hold 5 people comfortably (both are SUV class). We even drove from Houston to San Diego and back in one of our cars. As for cost, they were on the higher end, but still within the range of a standard SUV.

> so it is a little like wishful thinking. you may end up being right. you might not, but u r willing to gamble a little

The same could be have been said about high speed Internet circa the year 1999. Cell phone towers. Cell phone battery life. 5G access. Etc. Is it possible the current trends in EV infrastructure and models being produced will grind to a halt? Sure. In five years gas prices could be $12/gallon too, but neither scenario seems likely.

> all those things matter when u argue 'everyone should be like me'

Never argued that. Was responding to your claims re poor and requirements for NEW vehicles.