[RC_ITR]

This is such an interesting take.

The military invented the nuclear bomb yes. But Fermi did most of his thinking work in Italy before the Manhattan project. He got money thrown at him once he got here.

As for semiconductor devices, it was Bell Labs and TI.

Coding is an ambiguous concept that wasn’t really invented, but if it were, it would have first appeared in programmable looms.

The military likes to take credit for things, but really all they do is throw money at existing inventions.

I’m sure they’re throwing a bunch of money at Transformers now, but who are all these uncredited super geniuses who invent things and then let randos at Google take the credit/earn the money?

[rozal]

I used to agree with you. I used to think the military was kinda dumb. But after doing a deeper dive into past military technology, and present - I've come to realize this is just an intelligence ruse.

They made some mistakes in the 40's and 50's to where they had nuclear secrets stolen by the Russians. And ever since has been hyper compartmentalized.

It would not surprise me if in the 90's or 00's they had an internal working LLM, considering all the puzzle pieces. You will never hear about classified tech unless it's a bomb, gets leaked. (See code breaking machines declassed after 70+ years)

In a hypothetical scenario, a military organization might want to conceal its use of a large language model (LLM) for intelligence gathering and analysis.

Another scenario is the military's current interest in everything quantum. Quantum computers for example (you wouldn't want another nation being first and pirate baying out our secrets, would you) so there is an extreme national security importance of being first.

And to be first, you need to have the smart people, which the military has. There is a reason China struggles with jet engines 80 years after their invention, and still can't make nuclear carriers. While the US navy works on things like this: https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/sites/g/files/jejdrs566/fil...

[RC_ITR]

I mean, I think you’re again missing the point here.

Jet engines can be solved with money.

The actual steps of making an LLM require complex math and you can’t just pay people to make better math.

And if you could, wouldn’t those people decamp for industry and become literal trillionares?

[rozal]

That's not how military intellectual property works. I don't doubt your technical credentials, but I think you lack deeper insight to what the military does, and has done.

[RC_ITR]

>That's not how military intellectual property works.

So your implication is that the military is full of unnamed linear algebra, systems engineering, and linguistics super geniuses and these people never leave, never talk about their work publicly, never publish anything ever, and they're all cool with their huge innovations being kept away from the public forever? All because military IP regulation?

And none of these effective state prisoners ever defect to China (where they could live like royalty) because...

[rozal]

Yes. That’s exactly how it works. Here is a brilliant one admitting to JUST that: https://youtu.be/8rHTff55fq4 (at the end)

[stevenhuang]

Ah the reverse engineering of crashed ET craft.

If that is your angle, I very much agree it's possible some deep black project exists that (once) looked into this. In the UFO lore, there are many stories about these advances (tr3b etc).

But all of it is orthogonal to LLMs though. Picking one exceptional area that the military is great at (aerospace) does not suddenly make the military exceptional in other areas like AI.