[brabel]

> why should they bother to change anything until China improves it's own power production either?

That one is easy: because the USA (and Europe) have been the ones who pumped nearly all of the carbon that's screwing us up now for the last 100 years or so. If you take the accumulated amount of carbon emissions, I am sure you'll arrive at the conclusion that China must not be blamed for the current crisis (you can only accuse China of not helping solve the mess caused by others - which is valid but something else altogether).

Not to mention that, on a per-capita basis which is what matters when you want to blame people for using too much carbon, China is still much lower than the USA... in fact the USA is off the charts per-capita compared to even the most modern other economies.

[panragon]

OK, so compare the US military to the US power grid then. It's much smaller, why should the military itself change? It's a nonsense argument used to redirect responsibility.

If you don't want to do anything then don't, as far as I care that's entirely within your rights, just don't justify it by pointing to other people or organizations that are worse then you, because they can inevitably do the same to someone else. I really don't care about people doing nothing to solve an issue, but I certainly won't play defence for people who do nothing about the problem while feeling good about because they pinned it all on someone else. Either work on the problem or move on to something else, listening to you whine about how terrible other people you have no impact on are isn't doing anything for anyone.