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by wunderland 1170 days ago
China’s emissions per capita is still about half of the US https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-pe...
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You initialized this thread by talking about real numbers and not per capita. US military emissions is what, 1-2% of the US' total emissions? So even if you were to change something about the US' per capita emissions, removing their military entirely would barely move the needle. Why then is it the existence of this military in particular that's the reason your country doesn't need to change?

I get that you don't want to do anything, but you can just choose to do that, you know? You don't need to justify it at all, you have every right to simply do as you wish, at least for the moment.

per capita doesn't matter. Only total matters.
This is such an incredibly arrogant argument.

So that means that my small country of 10 million people is completely free to burn diesel and gasoline and coal as it wishes, but anyone living in China must be severely restricted to only use renewables just because they happen to live in a country with a large population, despite the fact that who put all the current carbon in the atmosphere which is causing the crisis were the small European countries like my own, over more than a century, together with the big brother the USA and its oil thirsty economies? Even today we're still the largest emitters, but feel arrogant enough to tell developing countries they must contribute as much as we do to fix our own freaking mess?! This dumb ass view of the world needs to stop.

Correct. Green logic is unfair. In order to "prevent the climate crisis" you have to make sure the people of India and China do not reach the same standard of living as those in the West, you have to keep them in the mud. And Belgium can have all the smokestacks it wants. It doesn't matter.
For the environment this is obviously true, but you change the total by treating everyone equally and expecting them to make the same per capita movements. It's not equitable that wealthy small nations have an infinite excuse to do nothing because they can't pollute as much as China if they tried. The citizens of China and India should have to suffer carbon cuts alone because they happen to look like the worst perpetrators when you blob together pollution by countries?