[inphovore]

Future generations shall look back upon this one with shame and humiliation for our waste of the world, the ignorant confused corruptible treachery, and conceit.

Inevitably humanity will settle back down into a sustainable consumer cycle that does not squander virgin materials or wrappings which persist beyond the consumer’s lifetime. Perhaps when they are made to.

In the meanwhile, too big to fail, we lumber on. Plundering what remains unguarded by modern complicity.

Use what you need, don’t be a waste.

[machina_ex_deus]

The climate change movement is the worst of humanity. They hate humans, and everything about it is self-hatred spilling out in destructive ways.

CO2 is the least worrying chemical we release into the air. From environmental point of view, plants prefer higher CO2, and rising CO2 is actually likely to do more good than harm to ecosystems.

It's not out of love to nature that this climate movement is driven, it is out of hatred to other fellow humans. If the environment was really the main concern, CO2 wouldn't be viewed as a negative. If humans were the main concern, the movement wouldn't do so much harm to humans and consistently suggest depopulation. The only conclusion is that the true motive behind it is human hatred.

The same elite hatred of the common people. The hatred that they must have to live without being ashamed for their actions and lack of compassion.

[GuB-42]

The earth and life in general will be perfectly fine with elevated CO2 and temperatures.

The reason we care about CO2 really is for our own long term comfort. Humanity as a specie will be fine too, but the people who will have to live through the consequence of climate change certainly won't enjoy that. Depopulation, for its supporters, is just a way to achieve the inevitable in a way that is not as bad as through famine and war for limited resources.

[bearmode]

There are two things at play here: one is the very real, very negative impact that humanity (as a whole) is having on the environment. Two is the corporate/media machine trying extremely hard to divert attention away from themselves, and put the onus on individual people.

Make sure you put that plastic bottle in the recycling (never mind that the vast majority of it isn't going to be recycled anyway). Oh, ignore those new coal power plants, ignore us restricting green investments, ignore us lobbying to keep fossil fuels around for longer.

The climate change movement is good for humanity. Corporate media are, and have always been, trying to co-opt it.

[ansc]

>plants prefer higher CO2

Correct.

>rising CO2 is actually likely to do more good than harm to ecosystems.

Incorrect. There's many cases where this clearly outweights the benefits, such as the acidification of the ocean, but also general disruptions of the ecosystems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CO2_Coalition

[jamesredd]

It's called CO2 fertilization and it has already had a positive impact on the amount of green plant matter on the planet.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

[graddrisrp]

Agreed

[davidgoldtooth]

About time hacker news woke up to this. Good post man

[graddrisrp]

Unfortunately we bear a big responsibility as engineers as we let them use us for so long building insane amount of wealth on our back and now they are turning against the little and the poor which Hatever half-truths they can find, could be climate change could be something else

[davidgoldtooth]

Unfortunately most engineers will only care about themselves and remain gleefully ignorant. If they can break and control the poor they can then outnumber the engineers and others they can’t yet control or destroy. We need to make these engineers insecure about their world view and future.

[graddrisrp]

Yes that what's needs to happen, they take comfort into herd mentality and hope the future will be good because the follow the cult. But nothing will save them, the revolution eats it's own child every time

[BigCryo]

The target population for climate change propaganda is the same segment of society that has been targeted since they've been very young in school with propaganda, another type of propaganda but but still yet guilt propaganda.. so they've been set up since youth to see themselves as evil, so therefore the climate change propaganda which is guilt propaganda it's right into their psyche which is already been shaped since youth by elite propaganda in school