[maxerickson]

Okay, but the point is sort of that doctors are not in fact blameless for the system that they helped build and continue to participate in.

Like sure, they aren't solely to blame, and it would probably be hard for individual doctors to successfully push for systematic changes, but the flip side to that is that they don't get to say "Oopsie doopsie, it sure isn't great".

[etrautmann]

I disagree. Doctors did not build the insurance billing system that we have today, and are not implicated in creating the incredible complexity and challenge that exists for patients. They provide the care, and don't get to view the costs born by patients.