[phpisthebest]

I did not realize a Tax Credit, that also has a TON of strings attached that as it phases into more protectionism fewer and fewer EV's will be able to quality for, and it at odds with other Environmental / Climate protections (like the requirement that Lithium some from approved NA vendors, but then disallowing new Lithium manufacturing in the US) is now a Mandate the produce EV's

The claim I responded to was that Congress was going to Mandate the production of EV's, not that congress was going to pass a terrible protectionist law that provide weak credits for EV's....

very very different things

[bryanlarsen]

Before 2030 we'll be seeing $7500 rebates on $15000 cars. That's a pretty strong mandate.

Also, this proposed EPA rule is an even stronger mandate: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/08/climate/biden-electric-ca...

[phpisthebest]

There is zero chance the manufacturing environment can move that fast. I know I work in it.

The government can place all the magic words on the page they want, there are structural limits to how fast mines, plants, and other things can be built, even if Ford, GM, VW etc can switch their factories to EV's there is an entire supply chain that can not spin up that fast. Copper and Lithium production alone would need to increase by like 900%, that is not happening in just a few years time.

[r00fus]

How the hell did the US (or Germany for that matter) accomplish what they did in WW2?

If we treated the coming climate catastrophe as an actual crisis and waged war on carbon emissions, I'm sure as hell we could outdo what was done 80+ years ago.

The problem is that now we have to coddle the corporate elite who need to make guaranteed profits. And that takes time. Hope we have enough left.

[phpisthebest]

>How the hell did the US (or Germany for that matter) accomplish what they did in WW2?

By repurposing the vast majority of manifacturing cpacity to the war effrot

>>If we treated the coming climate catastrophe as an actual crisis and waged war on carbon emissions,

because one even if the US Dropped emissions to Zero it would have little impact, and two you are talking about a generational problem not a problem today. Most people disagree over the urgency of the problem, in part because have have had decades and decades of people saying we will all die in 10 years if we do not act now... 10 years later we are all still here

[r00fus]

That’s ok, the US is only the biggest economy in the world. Of course we can’t do it on our own but we can lead the way - or we can get lapped by China who has already begun and made significant progress in all the areas we should also be doing: solar installments, EVs, fast mass transit.

It’s no surprise the rest of the world is starting to look to China for leadership instead of us.

[bryanlarsen]

So you're saying that production capacity of electric cars is going to slow down their growth? EV production capacity increased by ~5 million per annum last year (4 million of that in China).

Current rate of production growth means 60% EV's in 2027.