[sneak]

> I believe the groundswell of dislike for Google among the tech literate had it's roots in the Reader shutdown.

I disagree. I believe it was the "SSL added and removed here" NSA slide that showed that nothing stored with cloud providers is safe from government snooping without a warrant. It's not so much directed at Google as it is everything that is big enough to be on the tip of the surveillance state's tongue.

Nothing we store non-e2ee in the big public cloud services is safe from illegal warrantless wiretapping. It's not strictly Google's fault per se.

[slaw]

I don't think people care that much about privacy. Google started to encrypt traffic between data centers in 2013. Nobody cared.

[tsujamin]

It’s not as if their network architecture or threat models were put on billboards prior to that..

[slaw]

It was on white hat conference in 2004. For 9 years nobody cared.