[nh23423fefe]

That isn't what I said and I dont think you refuted my actual statement. PMs and PZs are incoherent by construction.

[MattPalmer1086]

Ah, I thought you were saying they were the same, my misunderstanding.

I can see an argument that PZs are incoherent by construction, but I'm not sure why a PM is. Can you explain why you think that is so?