[maxwell]

California is now one of only four states with laws prohibiting open carry and requiring a permit for concealed carry.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katharinabuchholz/2023/04/06/wh...

In 1971, the only state without a concealed carry ban was Vermont.

https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/constitution-of-the...

[1101010010]

California also does not honor nor grant concealed carry permits to non-residents, which is one reason I'll never visit again.

[maxwell]

Vermont won't issue them even for residents, since their constitution prohibits the state from involvement with firearm restrictions.

Note the violent crime rate in Vermont was the third lowest of any state as of 2020, after Maine and New Hampshire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

[1101010010]

Both open carry and concealed carry are legal without a permit in Vermont, which is the model for how States should behave in reverence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

[caeril]

Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont all share some other interesting commonalities you're not allowed to talk about.

We argue about policy all the time, but policy is downstream of other things.

[maxwell]

Why can't we talk about forest cover and high school diplomas?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_cover_by_state_and_terr...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...