[labrador]

Who said anything about risk? I'm just curious about why people think it has a mind. I've heard people estimate it has a mind of a child. Naturally I ask them how they come to that conclusion. Just to be clear. I think it's a clever piece of software with no mind at all.

[lostmsu]

I haven't really seen anyone rebuke the Turing test, and in a Turing test GPT-4 against children seems like children would have no chances.

[labrador]

I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Maybe because I've been writing software all my life. It's pretty clever, but it glitches like a machine and says things no person would ever say, but a text generator would. I'm afraid I've insulted people by saying if you tell me GPT-4 has a mind what you are really telling me is that you are not smarter than GPT-4 as in "tell me that you are not smarter than GPT-4 without telling me your not smarter than GPT-4" but maybe that's unfair because I'm a software developer. I quickly try to mitigate the insult by saying I soon expect to have an AI smarter than me, maybe GPT-5 that I won't be able to tell about.

[shrimp_emoji]

In other words: it doesn't pass your Turing test. :p

I agree; talking to it for an hour or two, it becomes pretty obvious it's not a humanoid mind typing back at you.

What "a mind" means -- or what "consciousness" means or if it even exists -- is a separate can of undefined worms.

[labrador]

GPT-4 reminds of some smart mentally ill friends I've had, but even they are disordered in human ways while GPT-4 hallucinates in machine ways. I suspect people who think GPT-4 has a mind just don't have a lot of experience talking to a variety of people.

[lostmsu]

> I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do.

Are you a child?

[labrador]

I don't understand your question because obviously I am not. If you have a point why don't you make it. I am throttled on Hacker News so I won't be able to respond for awhile.

[lostmsu]

The discussion was about comparing GPT to a child. Since you're not a child, the assumption that you can beat it in Turing test is irrelevant, regardless of it (the assumption) being right.

[labrador]

The discussion was not about comparing GPT to a child. I started it so I should know. The discussion is about "having the mind" of a child. Sentience. I don't care if it can mimic Albert Einstein, I'll be impressed when I'm convinced it is Alert Einstein.