[bprater]

Can we stop this argument already?

Real hackers can appreciate every damn language out there. If it weren't for Basic in the early 80s, I wouldn't be programming now.

PHP is a wonderful gateway language for a generation of web programmers. It is installed on every webserver and is always ready to rock-n-roll. No other language has achieved that level of ubiquity.

[tptacek]

No. We can have a productive discussion about whether a language and its frameworks are conducive to secure coding without it devolving into a language war. We're adults here, and there are more than just stylistic differences between PHP and its competitors.