[throwaway472919]

You can't go to McDonalds and pay extra for table service, or less to cook the burger yourself. But you can pay more at a proper restaurant or less at the supermarket. Even if what you're offering is "fair", we can't have every business offering every service.

[maxerickson]

You also don't pay extra at McDonald's to use the table.

Which is probably a better comparison for the chore lists and cleaning fees than table service.

I haven't really used Airbnb, but it seems pretty ridiculous that people would continue to use them if there are different, annoying to understand conditions attached to each listing.

And then in some sense, a media article criticizing them is the free market.

[xwdv]

I just don’t understand, if they’re going to clean the apartment anyway, why should I clean anything at all?

It seems like a petty power move type thing, like a way to ensure guests don’t go too crazy or something because you make them feel like they will have to clean things up.

[sokoloff]

If the cleaners are going to be there 90 minutes, they won’t have time to load and run a full dishwasher cycle and put it away. But they’ll have enough time to put it away if you started it before you left. The other choice is they do everything, but you pay them for 2.5 hours instead of 1.5 hours. I’ve never seen a list of chores that was unreasonable, even if there was a non-null list of things for me to do, it was always reasonable.

[xwdv]

The owner can pay them. It’s not my problem. If they don’t set the cleaning fee accordingly that’s their fault. $150 cleaning should be enough.

[ashwagary]

>I just don’t understand, if they’re going to clean the apartment anyway, why should I clean anything at all?

That's the problem. I suspect many amateur hosts have scaled operations to the point that they don't clean between stays and outsource that job to consumers as a shortcut, cost saving measure.

[xwdv]

Despicable. Let these landlords get on their hands and knees and work to maintain these airbnbs.

[8note]

I don't pay table or floor cleaning fees at mcdonalds