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by ghiculescu 1171 days ago
I agree spheres of influence is a worrying idea. But couldn’t you argue the same thing is happening to Ukraine under a US sphere of influence? Isn’t that bad too?
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Ukrainians want to be a part of free world with so much that civilians fought traitor snipers with homemade shields, with 0 US or NATO troops supporting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzI9V3WSnc

On the other side, to have any claim that anyone wants to be a part of russia is to literally invade them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrain...

or send FSB colonel to command russian "volunteers" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

Here's said war criminal admitting there was near zero support for russian annexation on the ground: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcCqrzctxH4

>But couldn’t you argue the same thing is happening to Ukraine under a US sphere of influence? Isn’t that bad too?

I fully agree with you - NATO -is- the US Sphere of Influence made manifest. The difference (in my view, anyway) is that the US is a better master than Russia or China, at least at this moment in time. The US tries to keep appearances at least by treating its partners as, well, partners. And the NATO military officials do believe we're all peers, at least all the ones I've had personal dealings with. Russia does no such thing (see Belarus).

But an even bigger difference, and the most important one, is this: Ukraine seems to want the EU and NATO. Sure, there's the oft-used argument that Euromaidan had US hand in it, but the US does not by itself mobilize nearly one million people (by Russian sources - so they'd have reason to diminish those numbers). Besides, Ukraine has been moving towards the EU as a country (even if not accompanied by Russian-aligned politicians) for years before Euromaidan. There's the more realistic complication that Eastern Ukraine is far more Euro and NATO skeptical than Western Ukraine. But those are internal Ukrainian problems, and not something neither the US, the EU, nor the Russian Federation should meddle in except for calling for peace, negotiations, and compromise.

If by "the same thing" you mean that Ukraine has requested the assistance of its allies to avoid being being coerced by Russia, then yes the same thing is happening. Why exactly would that be bad?
No, there's a huge difference between people wanting to get closer to a country compared to being coerced by genocide to.