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by Fnoord
1170 days ago
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Can't say is a so-called white lie, its why the more diplomatic cannot confirm or deny is preferred. OP refers to lying as saying A while its nowhere near the truth. For example, all that RU propaganda is an entire different league. UA have a nice way of summarizing: its complicated. Also a white lie. Both are show stoppers, they don't encourage further dialog. |
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White lies are still lies.
>... its why the more diplomatic cannot confirm or deny is preferred.
This is an appealing story, but neither of us has a way of knowing the comprehensive truth of why our various public officials lie, in fact. A substantial amount of propaganda has been written that seems to have rendered us unable to realize this, but it is objectively true, for what should be obvious reasons.
> OP refers to lying as saying A while its nowhere near the truth. For example, all that RU propaganda is an entire different league.
A substantial proportion of our communication is also in the forms of misinformative memes and catchphrases like "an entire different league". This can (or is almost guaranteed to) cause 3rd party readers to form incorrect beliefs about the relative quality and magnitude of American vs Russian propaganda. The fact of the matter is: not any one single person on the planet possesses this knowledge. So what do we do instead: we literally make things up. It is like we exist within a stage play, created by and starring us, where we write the script as we go along, but pretend that we are doing something else.
> UA have a nice way of summarizing: its complicated. Also a white lie.
It isn't complicated? What is "it" in this case?
>Both are show stoppers, they don't encourage further dialog.
Which I believe is the point of a lot of the popular memes that can now be seen in the wild: stop people from thinking, and cause them to form a confident, incorrect belief prematurely - basically, make the public hallucinate a virtual reality that has been designed for them.
The degree to which this "conspiracy theory" (gasp!) is true vs all of this being simple emergence, I can only speculate. But regardless, the problem is there, it can be understood, and it is physically possible to improve upon it, just as the enlightenment, the scientific method, etc demonstrated that it is possible for humanity to gain substantial control over the physical realm, if one can manage to find a way to try.
Pardon the vitriol, but this never-ending and never talked about situation really bugs me.