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by lhnz 1179 days ago
The major point I make is that the posts online that purport to come from Slaren do not show that they had "distanced themselves from [the] situation".

  > No one claiming to be that user said anything derogatory or ever called
  > for drama. You're making hollow accusations, basically: "Your messages 
  > were intermingled among bad comments"
I did not make that accusation. My accusation is that it is ill-advised to enter an anonymous imageboard where people use words like "troon" and often show mob-like behaviour, and to decide there to mouth-off about how someone took all credit for your code, removed backwards compatibility, and to add that their original attempt was an "abomination".

This is not "removing yourself from [the] situation" as Slaren asserts.

  > And I'd certainly consider it distancing yourself from the conversation
  > when you close your PR and remain silent when someone essentially steals
  > your code [...] I'm the one "responsible" for noticing this and raising
  > the flag that something isn't right.
Yes, I can see that you were one of the key people that created drama, by asking "I'm wondering how much was written by you and how much by jart?" [0] and then when they publicly said they didn't want to start drama, trying to get private comment from them by saying "My contact info is in my profile if there's more to say."

  > To the extent that drama was caused by this, it's wholly the fault of the
  > person who created this situation with her unethical behavior and 
  > intentionally misleading statements.
I think somebody could choose to believe this, but somebody that reads the GitHub and desuarchive.org threads might also feel that @InconsolableCellist and @slaren had a part to play, too.

  > Of course no one can verify if that user is the same one in the 4chan threads.
Yes, it's technically possible that somebody pretending to be Slaren investigated the GitHub and was able to correctly infer exactly what happened chronologically including that they had collaborated on jart's Discord. However, Occam's razor suggests it was Slaren themselves and not a very clever troll.

I'm really not muddying the waters here. What you're trying to argue is difficult for me to believe, and whether or not you disagree with the level of recognition given by jart, your comment that "it's wholly the fault of the person who created this situation with her unethical behavior" is ugly. It pins all the blame on jart when it's quite clear from both Slaren and your comments that you were trying to cause drama (anonymously and publicly).

I'd just like to add that if yourself and @anzz1 had wanted to give @slaren the recognition that they deserved in a positive way, you'd have linked to https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/issues/91#issuecommen... and signal-boosted that as the key insight that enabled the PR to land, rather than taking the approach you took.

[0] https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/pull/586#issuecomment...