[rlili]

Point is, individual initiative and individual liberty don't matter when you don't have dignity, e.g. being homeless, drowning in debt, etc.

In all socialist experiences, the standard of living of the lower class skyrocketed in comparison to the respective previous regimes. This is a measurable, material fact. In comparison, what you and most liberalist thinkers label as "fairness" is not only abstract but also disconnected from the current reality.

[mytailorisrich]

Claiming that capitalism should be thrown away because of a tiny minority of homeless people, while overall people are massively better off than socialist states could ever dream of, shows the absolute bankruptcy of socialist ideology that ran out of any reasonable arguments decades ago.