[rayiner]

No European country (UK excepted) has an “immigrant culture.” In recent decades, some European countries have accepted large numbers of immigrants. But as far as I can tell, they’ve even relegated to an economically disadvantaged underclass in every one of those countries. They’re not buying Apple products. For example, average income for Turks in Germany (a group that started immigrating in the 1970s) is estimated to be 2,000 euros per month: https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/193000-turks-come-back-fro.... Average income for Germans as a whole is almost 4,000 euros per month.

Meanwhile in America, median household income for Vietnamese Americans—who also started immigrating in the 1970s, as refugees—matched the national average sometime in the 1990s.

[greatpatton]

Taking Vietnamese as an example, may not be the best example. Vietnamese immigrants in France are also doing well (Vietnamese diaspora in France is the second in size behind the US).

[oblio]

Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups?

What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Heck, what are the statistics for Vietnamese Germans?

The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening.

[dtheodor]

He is not cherry picking, he picked the largest immigrant group, twice as large as the next one

[rootusrootus]

By what metric is Vietnamese the largest immigrant group? The largest is easily Mexico, and I don't see that Vietnam cracks the top 5, and maybe not the top 10.

[illiac786]

The largest immigrant group in Germany is Turkish people, that's what was said.

[oblio]

I could also pick the biggest minority group in the US, and trust me, Turks have a much better life in Germany.

[rayiner]

The largest minority group in the US is Hispanics. White Americans have a median household income 36% higher than the median household income of Hispanics. The median income of Germans is almost double the median income of Turkish Germans.

[type0]

There are different kind of Hispanics in US and they are treated differently

Why don't Americans put all German speakers into the same group as well and call them Germanics?

[woobar]

Per capita income for Poles, Italians, Russian, and Germans is higher than median US per capita income. [1]

Household income of these four groups is also higher than median household income. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

[dragonwriter]

> Per capita income for Poles, Italians, Russian, and Germans is higher than median US per capita income.

US per capita income is higher than US median personal income (that’s what happens with concentrated-at-the-top instead of normal distributions.) But you probably mean “mean” rather than “median” since that’s what your source actually provides.

[woobar]

I am not sure you looked at my sources. Direct quotes: "The following median per capita income data..."/"The following median household income data..."

Household income is higher than per capita for all groups.

[rayiner]

> Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups?

I picked large, visible minority immigrant groups that have been in their destination country for more than a generation.

> What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans?

There’s far fewer of those than Turks, and many are ethnic Germans to begin with.

> The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening

There’s only two: black people and indigenous people, neither of which are immigrant groups. Economic migrants go the US, such as Germans, Italians, and Irish, all economically assimilated decades ago. Hispanics are on the same track: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353.

[geodel]

> What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans?

Maybe find and share, if you looking to refute the point.

[oblio]

I don't have the numbers but what I can share is that Vietnamese are considered a model minority in several European countries, including some not famous for their integration policies, such as Czechia. So the fact that Vietnamese Americans are doing well is not some weird thing.

[carlosjobim]

Turks in Germany is not "cherry picking" - they are one of the largest immigrant groups and have been immigrating to Germany for much longer than other big groups.