[michaelmrose]

If 2+2=4 it doesn't matter if you "witnessed" it being 3. Anyone who has actually interacted with poverty in the past 30 years would know that benefits are miserly, sparse, and limited.

Notable virtually no cash money which is basically required to live and work requirements for other benefits.

Welfare is what poor people rely on in addition to working not what they do instead of working.

This is why virtually everyone on food stamps is either temporarily between jobs, working, retired, disabled.

You can't just keep having kids and actually live indoors because the government will give you more food stamps but not more money.

What part of tanif being a few hundred a month and having a lifetime maximum of 5 years isn't getting through?

More kids = more poverty. The only angle to work is child support not welfare which is obviously the disconnect here.

[arenaninja]

I don't think I have seen something as disingenuous on HN as trying to negate somebody else's life experience by saying "2+2=4". I won't be engaging the contents of a bad faith argument.