[jerf]

I can write Java code that will not surprise me with unexpected copies, contain huge memory problems (GC does have edge cases, but if you throw that in I will throw in "non-trivial memory management in C++ when 'just use a smart pointer' doesn't work" and you don't come out ahead at all), or surprise me greatly with the memory model. It doesn't have a huge syntax, and the language doesn't get 50% bigger on every release of the syntax. Many Java programmers can answer questions that go quite deep into how Java works.

I don't like or use Java, and it isn't perfect by any means. My point is just how far I didn't have to go down the list of "mainstream languages" before your claim is completely false. C++ is an outlier.

C also has the memory leaking issue, but the rest is false as well. Though in the memory model case it's by virtue of not having one.

And that's sticking with a very generous-for-you interpretation of "mainstream". If I'm allowed to dip down to Python or something you're even worse off.

[javadyan]

All I can say is, I can write C++ code that will not surprise me with unexpected copies, contain huge memory problems, or surprise me greatly with the memory model.Stop whining and learn to use your tools, goddamit.