[dalbasal]

In a sense, this is the organisational fallacy, of our time.

The baby version of this was 15 years ago, when Jobs was Musk and being an asshole was the main/only feature visionary executives emulated.

Maybe the lesson is that we're bad at lessons.

[hungryforcodes]

What was the ACTUAL lesson with these two? I can guess your intent, but could you specify? Also I think the grand father version instead of the baby version. Apple is massive...

[lostdog]

* Build something people want and will pay for.

* Figure out what the product must look like early, and keep your vision consistent for a long time.

* Dive into the details of the product, and try to get quality at the lowest levels.

* Hire great and motivated people.

* Remove roadblocks that prevent people from moving quickly.

Those are the real lessons.

My current job does all of these, and doesn't do the "Treat people like shit," thing that is the core culture of Elon's companies. We move faster than the Elonverse companies, while working on a problem of similar difficulty.

[poslathian]

Thanks for this, well distilled. I used to be anxious about how the handful of folks I knew running breakout companies all leaned heavily towards asshole. Was it a necessary but not sufficient trait to achieve great performance?

I’ve come to learn that if you do the things on your list well, some people are going to see that as being an asshole.

Clearing roadblocks quickly ( and nearly all roadblocks are made of people-problems after about 50+), insisting on certain aspects of a product vision for years, and engaging in someone else’s details are all strongly correlated with annoying someone.

I also learned that the assholes I knew were just the usual mean, dunning Kruger style people that exist everywhere. Those traits ultimately meant their inner circle perpetually excludes the kind of really great people you’d want to surround yourself with.

[whiplash451]

Where do you work?

[lostdog]

Sadly I've ranted enough on this account that it needs to remain anonymous.