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by dmoy 5246 days ago
Keep in mind that ~35% of ALL students want to be engineers or scientists (as of 2006: http://www.heri.ucla.edu/nih/downloads/2010%20-%20Hurtado,%2...).

Also 60% of them drop out (or switch) within 5 years.

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That's great background information. I wonder what the primary driver of switching out is
Two of my classmates dropped out of a math graduate program. One of them actually quit right in the middle of class, saying "This is not fun anymore!". It was a Group Theory class on Galois Fields. She became a real estate agent. The other flunked his qualifiers & decided to quit the program and become a pilot (!!) instead of retaking the exams.My prof said attrition rates in math were super high.Its just not everybody's cup of tea, I guess. Among undergrads, sometimes people switch because profs demean you. Once when I was a TA, the Algorithms prof wrote an email calling a student "bozo" because he couldn't figure out shell sort ( its a stable sort algo ). Unfortunately the student was cc'ed in the email & took it badly & switched.
Galois Fields was when I realized I just didn't want to be a mathematician. I like math, but you can only be a professional mathematician (as opposed to a numerical modeller or some other applied mathematician) if you tackle the stuff that's so hard no other mathematician in the world can do it, or esoteric enough that only a few other mathematicians have bothered trying.
wait, shell sort is stable?
No, it is unstable. The striding means that two equal elements can easily be reordered. For example, after 2-sorting [(2,a), (1,b), (1,c)] by the first component you get [(1,c), (1,b), (2,a)].
Calculus II is my guess.
I think it's the lack of basic algebra mastery in high school that makes college math so frustrating.
I'm 100% with you on that one. That was my biggest stumbling block in college, simply remembering basic algebra. The online resources were more effectual than my professors on teaching a subject.
There were some earlier news articles & spinoff discussions in the recent past (NYTimes, etc).

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/education/edlife/why-scien...

Wish I had the link to discussions about it, they were better than the actual article.