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by Py815-dev 1182 days ago
I realised this was the case for linux, but I assumed Amazon had simply ported it to android rather than it being included in AOSP
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Android is Linux. Just heavily modified. So it makes sense a lot of tools and utilities were ported over.
Android is not Linux but uses Linux kernel and part of tooling.
Linux is a kernel. True or false.

What is GNU.

GNU is an ecosystem of free software.

Linux is a kernel.

People often refer to the whole system as Linux, but what they really mean is GNU/Linux.

I've discovered that referring to it as "LiGNUx" is a really good way to clear up ambiguity and annoy all of your coworkers.
This sounds dangerously close to "ligma" if you try to pronounce it.
GNU is an acronym.

GNU is a collection of free software.

GNU is the name of a project that is focused on software freedom.

Gnu is Not Unix
It's funny that the "backronym" does not tell us what GNU is, but only what GNU is not.

Here is a statement from GNU on Android:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/android-and-users-freedom.htm...

How the hell do you define Linux then?
Better question is how you would define Android.

For me it's mix of Linux kernel and a subset of common FOSS software[0] providing the boot and low-level operations, while the middleware is provided by AOSP with Dalvik/ART and the top, the whole user experience with GUI, apps and whatever. The middle and the top has absolutely nothing common with Linux.

To give you and idea - if you swap the engine in your Ford to Cummins, would you tell everyone what you are driving Cummins? No, you would tell what you are still driving Ford. The same applies to Android, if you swap the Linux kernel to something else, eg to OpenBSD kernel, would you tell what your smartphone is now running on OpenBSD? No, it's still Android, though with OpenBSD kernel.

[0] if you have Linux kernel then it doesn't makes sense to write tooling and userspace from scratch. Like you can, but.. why?

>For me it's mix of Linux kernel

So, it IS a Linux distribution with other userspace that's not made by GNU. What some people call non-GNU/Linux. Distributions like Alpine for example would also be it.

>The same applies to Android, if you swap the Linux kernel to something else, eg to OpenBSD kernel, would you tell what your smartphone is now running on OpenBSD? No, it's still Android, though with OpenBSD kernel.

Nobody says that it wouldn't, and it also would be true for other Linux distributions. Remember Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?[0]

Now, you could argue that someone who's using the terminal in Debian GNU/kFreeBSD would notice that it's not in fact Linux, but that's a matter of expertise (not every Linux user relies on the terminal), and that's also true for Android.

[0] https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/

> So, it IS a Linux distribution with other userspace that's not made by GNU

So, it IS a Cummins distr^W car with other car parts that's not made by Cummins? Despite the big blue "Ford" everywhere on the car and in the documentation?

Another litmus test I often amused by is how when where is a report of a bazillion of Windows infections (especially those when a user should explicitly run the payload, not just a drive-by) then it's Windows problem, but when there is a report of bazillion of infected Android phones and tablets then of course it's not Linux and therefore it shouldn't be chalked up in any "Amount of infected computers per OS" graphs, lol.

> So, it IS a Linux distribution

Humans tends to omit unnecessary repetition and overall tends to shorten things when it's fits their current situation.

But that doesn't make "an operating system distribution based on Linux kernel with system instrumentation and userspace common to other popular operating systems based on Linux kernel" equal to "Linux distribution" or "Linux".

Android can run with an unmodified Linux kernel.
Android uses their own Bluetooth stack so it's not obvious that whether Wi-Fi stack is ported or developed