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by tcfhgj 1181 days ago
> - No hard requirement for a phone number

Only if you pay

> - Open Source clients.

Mautrix/WhatsApp

> - Telegram's track record

Which is?

> WhatsApp is a black box and nobody has any good arguments for it other than 'supposed' E2EE that nobody knows anything about.

With Telegram you have a guarantee that it is not E2EE in group chats and single chats if you don't opt into a way worse UX/features.

> - Business model not revolving around selling user data.

True for Whatsapp as well, it's funded by business accounts and perhaps other parts of facebook

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> Mautrix/WhatsApp

I'm sorry, but that's not a good example. It doesn't even count as a legitimate client.

> Which is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia

https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/05/exclusive-telegram-to-temp...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3yavb/russia-blocks-telegra...

https://sensortower.com/blog/hong-kong-protests-app-download...

> With Telegram you have a guarantee that it is not E2EE in group chats and single chats if you don't opt into a way worse UX/features.

You're saying this as if you have a guarantee that WhatsApp's E2EE is 100% correct. At least with Telegram, I know what data the app is collecting, where it's going and how it's being stored on the device.

> True for Whatsapp as well, it's funded by business accounts and perhaps other parts of facebook

Assumption again.

> I'm sorry, but that's not a good example. It doesn't even count as a legitimate client.

why not? After all the client uses the multi-device API like the official client does

> You're saying this as if you have a guarantee that WhatsApp's E2EE is 100% correct.

I am not saying it like that. I am explicitly saying that with Telegram you have the guarantee that it is not E2EE, while there at least exist the possibility of WhatsApp being E2EE.

> Assumption again.

An observation, not assumption. WhatsApp wants to see money for business accounts: https://business.whatsapp.com/products/platform-pricing