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Ask HN: What's the name of this concept related to surveillance
16 points by nilsbrev 1182 days ago
I am looking for the name of a concept that explains how an individual who knows they are being monitored and controlled behaves differently on the internet. I believe the word "cold" is part of the concept's name and I discovered it through a well-designed web page that featured an infographic of an iceberg.
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I pasted your question verbatim into ChatGPT-4.

" The concept you may be thinking of is the "chilling effect." It refers to the phenomenon where individuals are less likely to engage in certain behaviors, such as expressing themselves or accessing certain information, due to the fear of surveillance or other forms of monitoring. The term "chilling effect" is often used in the context of government surveillance or censorship, but it can also apply to other types of monitoring and control, such as corporate surveillance or online harassment. The reference to the iceberg in the infographic may have been used to illustrate the idea that only a small portion of the chilling effect is visible on the surface, while the majority of its impact remains hidden beneath the surface. "

Behold, the future of "RTFM," "Let me google that for you," and "your question is already answered on stack overflow."
Well I'm actually looking for the website which was very visual and well designed to illustrate consequences of this concept...
How ungrateful. That was not your original question.
Feels like this getting close to the XY problem:

https://xyproblem.info/

Thanks for sharing this. I have experienced this many times in my career, but I didn’t realize it had a name.
Perhaps OP has been ChatGPTing too much and was expecting an apologetic response: “I’m sorry that my answer didn’t meet your expectations. More information about chilling effect can be found at…”
"Chilling effect" is a general term that seems about right, though isn't internet or censorship specific.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect

Another related term is "the panopticon", a prison designed so that you always felt like you were being watched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

And here is the report of their harmonious marriage:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1461444818801317

Might be chilling effect indeed, thank you. I'm trying to find that website which was very visual and well designed...
You didn’t ask that
I didn't but somebody answered it anyway just below : https://www.socialcooling.com/
You are a killer, that's exactly what I was looking for ! This particular website.
Also, https://www.mathwashing.com/ as I just found out after reading socialcooling.com
was this whole post just SEO?
Maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯? I have no affiliation to OP, feels like they just wanted to try out a human version of ChatGPT, strange as that may sound these days…
It seems tangentially related to "self-censorship" if that helps with your search?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship

That's a form of self censorship indeed.
That's usually "the Hawthorne effect" (which predates the internet), I don't know of a cold-related phrase for this though ...
Has anyone asked ChatGPT already? Using ChatGPT to find the correct search terms for vaguely described concepts seems very powerful. Knowing the correct terms makes or breaks web searches in my experience.
I was actually looking for that particular website : https://www.socialcooling.com/ not the name of the concept itself but "lachenmayer" has somehow read my mind.

Hacker News is better than chatGPT, it gives you what you're looking for without asking the right question (properly).

See https://xyproblem.info/ for details about how I messed up with my request.

That could be it indeed, thank you. Now I'm trying to find that website which was very visual and well designed to illustrate consequences of chilling effect...
I feel like either Mozilla or the EFF published a website on this about ten years ago.
panopticon?

(it’s also a great metal album)

This was my first thought - originally described a prison designed in a way that a central guard tower can see into all the cells. Even if prisoners aren’t actually being watched, the theory is they behavior better because they know they could be being watched at any given moment.

Just happens to be this week’s 99% Invisible podcast is all about panopticon history!

It's also a form of behavioural modification.