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by Filligree 1171 days ago
God save people who don't know you're 'supposed' to use something else.

Most projects state something like "run pip install whatever", which people will then do. If you're lucky, it will ask for sudo. If you're even luckier, you stop to think before entering your password.
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nerpderp82 1170 days ago
I have a default Python env that my shell sources for every login shell. I can deactivate it and activate different envs on a per project basis.

That default Python env means I don't ever modify the system python for any reason. I type `python` and I get my own Python3 from the base.env

If you use homebrew, there are two settings that help keep your old python binaries around so that venvs that reference those old envs don't break.

HOMEBREW_NO_CLEANUP_FORMULAE, this takes a lists of packages to not cleanup

HOMEBREW_NO_INSTALL_CLEANUP, prevents old packages from getting removed

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deaddodo 1170 days ago
Node has the exact same issue for people who globally install all packages. The only differences are A) python makes environment management the dev's choice/responsibility and B) defaults to system vs environmental.

I actually far prefer the Python method to, say, Go's GOPATH. But, I far prefer Rust/Cargo to either.

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unscaled 1170 days ago
Sure, GOPATH really sucked, but that's why we got Go Modules. I don't think it's fair to compare Python to Go anymore.

I wish Python got a standard integrated solution for package management that works.

pip doesn't cut it in my book since it doesn't let you specify dependencies reproducibly. It either doesn't support lockfiles or ONLY supports having a lockfile, without dependencies.

venv also doesn't cut it since you have to remember to explicitly activate it and keep track of which venv is activated right now.

If we take a look at the much-maligned Node.js+npm, it's still far better than what built-in tools in Python let you have. Yes, Node.js doesn't provide full isolation from globally-installed node_modules, but at least it supports a local node_modules directory and lets it take preference. Notably Node.js+npm, with all its warts, doesn't suffer from the the two issues I've mentioned above.

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noloblo 1170 days ago
Golang is far better when it comes to go path and compile speeds
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