[JKCalhoun]

I'm with you. "Legalize everything" stops working when addictive substances are involved.

To play Devil's advocate for the opposition though, perhaps we need Fentanyl Island where we send people that want everything legal. Okay, not a serious proposal ... or maybe I'm channelling Brave New World — a book I have come to believe was in fact supposed to represent a Utopian future after all.

[amanaplanacanal]

> "Legalize everything" stops working when addictive substances are involved.

I dunno. We tried making alcohol illegal for a while in the US. Alcohol is pretty addictive, isn't it? And we ran into the same problems we have with other illegal drugs, for the same reason.

[lazide]

Alcohol is still extremely heavily regulated.

[amanaplanacanal]

And other drugs should be too. Legal and regulated. Just like alcohol.

[knodi123]

> "Legalize everything" stops working when addictive substances are involved.

I don't really think that's the case. Prohibition is what enables all the evils we hate. If all of these drugs were legal, and cheap, and sold at or below cost by the government, _and all other sales were illegal_, then guess what would disappear overnight? Dealers, smugglers, junkies supporting an expensive habit by fencing stolen goods.... and most overdoses. Actual deaths. You still have your addicts, and maybe you get _some_ new ones - but they're getting safer drugs from a place where there are also resources for getting yourself clean. It really, really sounds like a win/win/win.

[erenyeager]

It’s not a win win because you’re spreading the drug use. And this had health consequences and social ones. I think the culture needs a shift, there are many countries with harsh punishments for drug dealing and the culture around drug usage just does not exist like it does in the US. Some places will even shun addicts and not help them with their addiction. And remarkably, these societies don’t have as many drug problems!

[knodi123]

> It’s not a win win because you’re spreading the drug use.

Am I, though? As the fundamental claim behind your dismissal of all the other benefits, including the massive death tolls, it behooves you to back this one up.

> there are many countries with harsh punishments for drug dealing and the culture around drug usage just does not exist like it does in the US

Oh, they're harsh here, too. Can you show that the harshness of the penalties has led to a reduction in drug use?

> Some places will even shun addicts and not help them with their addiction

Cruelty and brutality can certainly influence peoples' behavior. So can compassion and understanding. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree about how morally righteous it would be to just crush and brutalize anyone involved in the illegal drug trade. Whatever "illegal" is defined as, based on our government's criteria (and disregarding groups like the AMA).

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-exp...

[erenyeager]

Please go to other countries and see how much cleaner, safer, and peaceful they are without accepting the terror of drug crime in public. There are clearly cultural and contextual differences, but it really goes to show that we do not have to tolerate open crimes and accepting criminal behavior to be forced on the public.

[knodi123]

> Please go to other countries and see how much cleaner, safer, and peaceful they are without accepting the terror of drug crime in public.

Nobody thinks drug crime is good. I discussed a solution that would instantly end drug crime, because I think drug crime is a horrible, unacceptable problem.

> but it really goes to show that we do not have to tolerate open crimes and accepting criminal behavior

It really feels like you didn't understand the fundamental concept of legalizing drugs. That doesn't mean legalizing crime. And it doesn't have to mean legalizing public intoxication any more than legalizing alcohol did.

[jl6]

Another haha-only-serious plan would be for the government to stop seizing drugs at busts and instead covertly intercept them, lace a certain percentage with ultra-lethal poison, and send them on their merry way. As the body count rises, it becomes way too dangerous to buy anything through illegal channels.

[knodi123]

Or just deputize Duterte and let him execute every addict and dealer he can get his bloody hands on. Genius idea, I wonder why no one else thought of the utterly psychopathic solution?