[brandonagr2]

So you have some stats proving that Tesla cars are more dangerous or crash more often than other cars? With so many Teslas on the road, there must be an obvious spike if AI is making them more dangerous than the baseline of all cars.

[chatmasta]

That sounds totally irrelevant to the discussion of whether Tesla AI has caused more deaths than other AI. Even if human-driven cars crashed 100% of the time, and Tesla AI crashed into a tree one time, this would not refute my original claim, which was that Tesla AI has directly killed more people than any other AI.

If you want to use a statistical definition of how many people Tesla AI has killed by comparing it to a baseline of non-AI cars, then you also need to do this for every other non-Tesla AI that you might assert has killed people. For example, for the medical misdiagnoses referenced in the sibling discussion, you would need to ask whether ChatGPT has misdiagnosed more cancers than doctors.