[chatmasta]

> So? Most AI isn't. It's not all consumer products.

You are moving the goal posts. Your argument was that non-Tesla AI has killed its users. There were no users of the service mentioned in the article, ergo none of them could have been killed by it.

> I can say that about Tesla FSD.

The difference is that Tesla FSD is actively used, and its false negatives and positives have actually killed people.

My argument was never that AI will not eventually kill people. It was that so far, Tesla AI has directly killed more people than any other AI.

[ben_w]

Nah, you're moving them.

> Yes. Elon Musk has killed more people with his AI than anyone else has with theirs.

That's "people" not "users".

[chatmasta]

Yes, I'm talking about events that have actually happened. You're talking about hypothetical future deaths.

I don't disagree that eventually, AI will lead to both direct and indirect deaths. But so far, the only direct deaths from AI have been from Tesla AI.