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by burglins 1172 days ago
Germany already spies on its citizens on a larger scale than what EU proposes
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It's a bit complicated.

Germany still has living memory of the DDR and Stasi, and the revelation of their extensive surveillance is very much a culturally formative event in Germany and its sphere of influence.

Gestapo, DDR, Stasi and ALG II/Hartz4 ;)
Germany's intelligence services answer to the CIA. They do not answer to the German people or their representatives.
You keep claiming that. And it is plain wrong.
Any credible references?
You are going back in time, to the origins of the BND, post WW2 and into the Cold War.

Does it seriously surprise you that Germany as the aggresor that lost the war, became a border country to the Soviet block with a large US military presence was influenced by the CIA or other US intelligence services?

It does not surprise me to the least.

I don't think your argument is particularly strong though if all you present to make your point are well documented historic facts going back 50-70 years.

You're missing a whole lot between those times and today.

Last reference to the CIA in your first link is that the German gov. expelled several high ranking CIA officers post the mid 2010s NSA leaks.

So where are you deriving the notion from that, today, the CIA controls the BND?

Give us facts, posts, experts, discussions, anything. And recent.

Not just an opinion.

There's a lot more weird shit, like the Rosenholz files mysteriously ending up with the CIA.
GDPR is basically the German privacy law, EU-ified.
IIRC GDPR is even weaker than the German law. EU-regulations usually only define the lower ceiling, and it's up to countries to go with it, or improve it even further.
Germany already intercepts and decrypts all private messages?
Source: "trust me bro"
Might be unrelated, but there is one that could pass as conspiracy theory, well-sourced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

This is a 30 year old story?

How is this relevant at all?

> On 11 February 2020, The Washington Post, ZDF and SRF revealed that Crypto AG was secretly owned by the CIA in a highly classified partnership with West German intelligence

It was defunct on 2018. That is not 30 years ago.

User telmo wanted a source for spying on citizens. I provided an example of that. It is not exactly what he asked for, but it is not nothing.

> The company was secretly purchased for US $5.75 million and jointly owned by the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and West German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) from 1970 until about 1993, with the CIA continuing as sole owner until about 2018.

Literally the second sentence of the link you posted.

So no relevance in the context of Germany and BND.

Fair enough. Germany's BND involvement ended in 1993 it seems. Not so relevant anymore.
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