[Syonyk]

Freedom? You've got a weird definition of "freedom" if you think surrendering your autonomy to whoever happens to be running the services you rely on is "freedom."

The problem is that long term, you won't have any idea if what it's spitting out is reasonable or not. We already have more than enough problems with systems being too complex to understand. Solving that with "more complexity we can't understand" doesn't seem a great solution, personally.

[13years]

We already have more than enough problems with systems being too complex to understand.

Indeed, aligns with my own thoughts on the impossibility of AI alignment.

"However, each new layer and new tech that we add becomes a greater separation between what we can perceive and the complexity of the machine that becomes ever more incomprehensible. So we build ever more tech to help us understand the existing tech with each part being another component of complexity and potential problems."

https://dakara.substack.com/p/ai-singularity-the-hubris-trap

[nico]

It’s always going to be a back and forth. You can’t fixate something forever.

We adapt to AI and AI adapts to us, and we keep iterating to cooperate.

AI alignment as exposed on Wikipedia reads almost like condoning AI slavery.

[nico]

That is already case.

Are you able to verify every single news article you read? Every source? Every journalist? All the info you read or hear?

You can’t, so you just trust. And let go of the complexity, you don’t need to consciously manage it and you are still ok.

Just like you trust your body to breath or to digest.

[Syonyk]

> You can’t, so you just trust. And let go of the complexity, you don’t need to consciously manage it and you are still ok.

Or I can read a variety of sources from across the political spectrum to look for common elements, and I can try to avoid news articles and such in favor of longer form magazine articles written after the fact, and I can, and do, prefer to read "multiple books" on a topic instead of a simple article. I tell people to recommend three books on a topic they think I should learn, instead of an hour long video. By the time I've read a few books, I have a sense of what the authors agree and disagree on, and enough material to have a useful framework to try and hang the rest of the information I receive on.

As far as complexity... my career is literally "dealing with the complexity of modern computers," from a variety of angles - so I can explain, in long form detail, just how badly broken the assumptions we put on computers are.

And I use them to, fundamentally, do the same stuff I used a 486 for a couple decades ago. Write code, use basic webpages, talk to people, listen to music. The details have changed, but the category of "The tasks I use it for" really hasn't changed. We just have a couple orders of magnitude more CPU performance, RAM, disk, etc... to do the same things. Nobody blinks about a modern chat app being hundreds of megabytes, requiring a gig or two of RAM. Yet it's still used to send text to other people.

I'm sorry, I reject your "Just relax and let the algorithms sweep over me!" approach to dealing with all this. That guarantees that I will feed myself with whatever is the most profitable to someone else, think that which is most profitable to someone else, etc. And that's not a way to live life.

[nico]

That is totally fine :)