[buyx]

What makes you think I’m white?

In any case, apart from many Afrikaners, whites are increasingly irrelevant to the discussion about South Africa’s future-they’re dwindling as a percentage of the population because of aging, emigration, higher black birth rates and inward migration from other African counties.

The country is, objectively, deteriorating.

[ashwagary]

>What makes you think I’m white?

I didn't say you were.

>whites are increasingly irrelevant to the discussion about South Africa’s future-they’re dwindling as a percentage

Not true, the owners of the vast majority of SA land are still a tiny white minority. As long as this is the case, they are relevant.

>The country is, objectively, deteriorating.

The world's worst wealth inequality [0] will do that to a country until resolved. As I mentioned above, the transition will not be comfortable and anyone expecting it to be is wildly misinformed.

[0] "South Africa is the most economically unequal country in the world, according to the World Bank. The difference between wealthy and poor in South Africa has been increasing steadily since the end of apartheid in 1994, and this inequality is closely linked to racial divisions in society."

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_South_A...

[buyx]

India and China have both managed to uplift their economies in the last 30 years without the “discomfort” of violent crime, increasing corruption, the collapse of state institutions and an inability to generate electricity.

Of course reducing everyone to grinding poverty is one way of reducing inequality, but it’s hard to see what the utility of that would be.

Blacks will, and do, bear the brunt of the deterioration anyway.

[ashwagary]

>India and China have both managed to uplift their economies in the last 30 years without the “discomfort” of violent crime, increasing corruption, the collapse of state institutions and an inability to generate electricity.

India didn't start out with massive amounts of inequality and is still working at building while dealing with a poverty crisis. It isnt close to the finish line.

China, the most successful at transitioning, had inequality comparable to South Africa at one point. That is precisely what Mao targeted when he came to power. Their effort, which involved redistribution of >90% of the land from tiny minority (<10%) ownership, stamping out corruption, and solving domestic production issues; could hardly be described as comfortable.

Foreign powers worked overtime to sabotage the Chinese effort like they have and will continue to do in South Africa as it gets started on this path away from economic apartheid.

The good news is, modern South Africa being a part of BRICS may be useful in reducing inequality more rapidly by employing wisdom gained by other members... but there will still be discomfort.

The history surrounding this kind of scenario is very clear and not as rosey as your description. Luckily SA is not resource poor and its allies are some of the most capable nation builders on the planet.

[buyx]

Mao’s reforms led to millions of deaths. China grew after the 70s. But in any case, thanks for clarifying your conception of “discomfort”.

[ashwagary]

>Foreign powers worked overtime to sabotage the Chinese effort

>Mao’s reforms led to millions of deaths. China grew after the 70s.

Most of the deaths were due to trade embargoes set by western powers (mainly US & UK) that restricted emergency food and other imports leading up to and during an emerging famine.

Even though its an unpopular observation in the west, China's following 60 years of growth wouldve been stunted without Mao's decolonization efforts.

>thanks for clarifying

You are welcome.

[wjaugustyn]

The government is bad for sure. But has SA ever not had a shitty government? Maybe briefly between 1994 to 2008. But it’s pretty nice to build my business here. The government sure as shit won’t be building the country up. Businesses will, and it’s happening.